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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2008 8:58:32 GMT 8
Here's one that made me laugh:
卒業できない中学校の三年生はなんと言いますか?
What do you call a third year jr high student who can't graduate?
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Post by junkdna on Oct 27, 2008 12:58:16 GMT 8
A politician?
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Post by raindrop on Oct 27, 2008 13:09:36 GMT 8
Zennen sei?
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2008 14:01:26 GMT 8
A politician is a great answer, Raindrop, but your second answer is pretty close...
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Post by Otaku on Oct 27, 2008 14:21:53 GMT 8
Zan nensei
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2008 14:56:30 GMT 8
yup: 残念正 zannensei (hardy har har....) :-)
I tell this to my students and sometimes they laugh so hard that milk comes out their nose! Then they tell me that I am an oyaji. Then I laugh so hard my dentures fall out.
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Post by Otaku on Oct 27, 2008 15:39:58 GMT 8
Yoshi! Score one for Otaku! I'm going to have to use that one...seeing that I'm an otaku and all...
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Post by raindrop on Oct 27, 2008 16:00:47 GMT 8
darn!!! I was thinking of Zannen sei, but I spelt it wrong!!!! It was a typo!!!!
so.... Can I take Otaku's score!?
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2008 16:03:26 GMT 8
janken for it ;-)
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Post by Otaku on Oct 27, 2008 17:11:32 GMT 8
No way! That's the first one ever that I've gotten! You're not taking it from me!
Furthermore, I would dare argue, Raindrop split the words in the wrong place!
Mine, all mine!
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Post by raindrop on Oct 28, 2008 8:21:02 GMT 8
fine... ill be mature, you can have it otaku... sniff sniff.
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Post by Otaku on Oct 28, 2008 10:15:27 GMT 8
To quote the American TV series, Heros..."Yatta!"
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Post by junkdna on Oct 29, 2008 7:41:17 GMT 8
I don't get it.
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Post by matt on Oct 29, 2008 14:49:36 GMT 8
you know that 'zannen' means 'that's too bad' or something similar, right? Well if a student can't graduate, then that's just 'too bad'. so a 'that's too bad student' is a 'zannensei'. I would type it in Japanese, except for the fact that, at least on my monitor it seems, this server/site/etc. can't handle Japanese text very well. So I have to use romaji. Perhaps it's just the forum engine. Or my computer. I don't know.
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Post by rollypop on Oct 29, 2008 14:58:37 GMT 8
Prolly your computer, especially if you`re using Firefox. Go to view> character encoding > shift_jis or try messing with the settings in that menu.
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Post by Otaku on Oct 29, 2008 19:36:16 GMT 8
ƒuƒ‰ƒEƒU[‚ªŠÂŒ`‚È‚¢BFirefox‚ÆInternetExplorer‚Í—¼•û‚©‚犿Žš‚Æ‘‚¯‚é‚æB
That was my feeble attempt at Japanese...
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Post by junkdna on Oct 30, 2008 8:29:24 GMT 8
so the Žc”O¶ was the answer then. okay. =) I was expecting a twist on the words or something. i was trying to figure out what it might be. =) that said, did you guys hear about this: mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20081029p2a00m0na016000c.htmlI can't believe they are looking into punishing this principal. high school is not required in japan and he was looking to protect the integrity of his school. that's his job. the board assholes are simply trying to save face now that people (most likely the parents of the students rejected) are making a stink. perhaps if students were made to care about they way they act and dress, they wouldn't fuck around so much.
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Post by Otaku on Oct 30, 2008 8:44:22 GMT 8
WOW! However, I can see both sides of the argument.
I know the principal was trying to protect his school because his school has a huge dropout number, but I also think profiling students' physical appearance is not necessarily wrong but it could set a dangerous precedent.
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Post by junkdna on Oct 30, 2008 9:26:25 GMT 8
set a dangerous precedent. of course, and under normal circumstances i would whole-heartedly agree. but i personally i think japanese students have gotten to the point where they need to understand that there are consequences for their actions. for the past 15 years, they have been allowed to act the fools (through no fault of their own of course--an education system without a system for punishment or grading is MEXT in my opinion). Kin Fujisaku brought this to light with BATTLE ROYALE, but people still refuse to see the error of their ways. high schoolers are close enough to adulthood that they need to understand that its time to put aside childish things and ways (to an extent) to prepare for a society that won't abide by such foolishness. that's my 3.5 yen.
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Post by junkdna on Oct 30, 2008 9:29:57 GMT 8
OH WAIT!!! I GOT IT!!!! ‚³‚ñ‚Ë‚ñ‚¹‚¢@|„@‚´‚ñ‚Ë‚ñ‚¹‚¢
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Otaku on Oct 30, 2008 9:50:19 GMT 8
set a dangerous precedent. of course, and under normal circumstances i would whole-heartedly agree. but i personally i think japanese students have gotten to the point where they need to understand that there are consequences for their actions. for the past 15 years, they have been allowed to act the fools (through no fault of their own of course--an education system without a system for punishment or grading is MEXT in my opinion). Kin Fujisaku brought this to light with BATTLE ROYALE, but people still refuse to see the error of their ways. high schoolers are close enough to adulthood that they need to understand that its time to put aside childish things and ways (to an extent) to prepare for a society that won't abide by such foolishness. that's my 3.5 yen. Fair enough! I think you do have a valid point. Japan is a rather unique society that it does seem to operate and people seem to fall into line without having consequences for their actions. And, you are right that times are changing where Japanese students are slowing understanding that they can do anything they want and won't get punished for it. I think if the society does keep going down this path, it's going to produce a society of spoiled brats.
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Post by junkdna on Oct 31, 2008 7:35:44 GMT 8
Exactly. In America, this would never work. So I would be against it. But here in Japan, I think it can work if everyone gets behind it. Now, am I saying it would be a fool-proof idea? Hell no. Every plan has its drawbacks and some people are going to have trouble. All the more reason to get their act together. This article is focusing on students with good scores, but bad attitude and outward appearance (okay, so I'm not so worried about hair color, but looking like you slept in your clothes or just got rolled in the alley is NOT fashion). I wouldn't want these students in a school with my son, and I don't think other parents would either. As for the good scores of these students, we all know there are ways to get good scores without actually studying.
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Post by gsuiris on Oct 31, 2008 15:49:40 GMT 8
Part of me screams that it is wrong, but part of me says that it is OK. I mean, if they are doing interviews and screening students based on grades, then what is wrong with basing it on appearances? If the school has some rules against that then the students should follow it.
Of course now I feel like a hard-ass. If it was a public school telling the kids they couldn't come it would be one thing, but since it isn't mandatory I can see where they are coming from. Besides, if you are going to some interview like that wouldn't you want to make a good impression and dress your best?
I still feel too much like I am sticking up for the man or something.
I do agree that students need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. They have to take some responsibility for what they decide to do. So many of the kids get away with things that wouldn't be acceptable in other places. They have so little responsibility too.
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Post by gumby on Oct 31, 2008 17:05:08 GMT 8
Yikes, I must have lived here too long! I think the school was completely within its rights. I can't agree with hair color or whether or not their hair was straight as who's to know what is natural BUT an interview is part of the exam process. At least where I live. I am guessing that employers all over the world judge tidiness during an interview, why should that be any different for high schools in Japan. I mean if you cannot show enough respect to dress appropriately for the interview than you have obvious attitude problems that need to be addressed. I am not for a strict grading system, perhaps economic status and home situation have to be taken into consideration but what is wrong with dressing nicely, doing away with obviously manicured nails, taking out earrings (against school rules where I live anyway) and combing your hair? Maybe I'm missing something here.
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Post by junkdna on Nov 4, 2008 8:03:05 GMT 8
wow, isn't it interesting how our views have adapted to the culture? =) but not in an adverse way.
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